Is SaaS really dead? Dharmesh Shah from HubSpot on AI, Vibe-Coding & the Future of Work

Explore SaaS with AI and Zapier. 🔥 https://bit.ly/3WsVPzp Is SaaS about to be replaced by people “vibe-coding” their own apps — or is something deeper at stake? Dharmesh Shah, co-founder and CTO of HubSpot, joins Wade to cut through the hype and give a refreshingly practical view of how companies should show up for AI. Dharmesh argues the right question isn’t “How do I compete against AI?” but “How do I compete with AI?” — and explains how culture, curiosity, and a little bit of tinkering unlock real value. From practical starting points for SMBs, to why large SaaS vendors still have a massive advantage, to the power of simulation and retrieval-augmented workflows, this episode maps out what leaders and teams should actually do next. In this episode you’ll hear: 🤝 Why “compete with AI” beats “compete against AI.” 🗓️ The rituals that help organizations adopt AI (hackathons, demos, and scheduled retries). 📈 Low-risk starting points: creation → synthesis → automation → simulation. 🏢 Why large SaaS companies likely aren’t going extinct — and when vibe-coding does make sense. 🚀 How AI can amplify careers: automate the small stuff, get promoted to bigger problems. ✨ Practical ideas for marketing, personalization, and building dynamic UIs that fade into the background. Guest: Dharmesh Shah — Co-founder & CTO, HubSpot Start your AI automation journey with Zapier. 👉 https://bit.ly/4kcBRUF ************************ Agents of Scale is a show about real stories of AI transformation. Hosted by Zapier CEO Wade Foster, each episode features a candid conversation with a C-suite leader who’s scaling AI across their organization, turning early experiments into lasting change. From mindset shifts to automation breakthroughs, these are the untold stories behind the enterprise AI wave. If you're interested in real-world applications of AI, automation strategy, or how business leaders are navigating digital transformation, this show is worth a listen. If you like hearing how companies like Zapier, Klaviyo, Newfront, Gamma, and Gainsight are using AI to solve real problems and scale smarter, you’ll find these conversations both practical and inspiring. This podcast is a great listen if you're searching for topics like AI in business, enterprise automation, how companies are using AI in the real world, artificial intelligence strategy at Klaviyo or Gainsight, or what digital transformation looks like at scale. You’ll also find it helpful if you’re looking for AI case studies, automation in the workplace, or examples of C-suite leadership driving innovation with AI.