Stop Building Apps. Start Building Agents.
Low-code and no-code was supposed to be the revolution. But what happens when you don't even need to drag and drop anymore, when you just describe what you want and an app appears? In this episode of Talking AI, Matt Paige sits down with Tiago Azevedo, the CIO of OutSystems, to talk about what it actually looks like to lead through the chaos of enterprise AI adoption. Tiago shares why he believes everything that isn't agentic is already legacy, how his team uses AI to figure out where AI fits, and why companies should stop adding more fields and screens to broken systems and start building agents that do the work. They also dig into OutSystems' latest launch, Mentor, which brings natural language vibe coding into the platform, the competitive landscape with Anthropic, OpenAI, and vibe coding startups all converging, and Tiago's framework for overwhelmed CIOs: think big, start small, scale fast. Whether you're a CIO navigating the chaos, a tech leader figuring out where to place your bets, or a builder curious about the future of enterprise development, this one's for you. Watch or listen to the full episode: https://hatchworks.com/talking-ai/ -- Key Moments: 01:17 — Tiago on the pace of change and what makes this moment unlike anything before 06:20 — "Saying no is the easiest solution — managing the risk is the hard part" 07:49 — Bypass the mess: why agents fill the gaps legacy modernization never could 09:10 — "Everything that is not agentic is literally legacy work" 10:15 — Use AI to figure out where AI fits: the meta approach to use cases 11:30 — Deal Mate: the team of agents that prepares sales reps for meetings 15:07 — "We were adding more fields to Salesforce when we should've been building agents" 16:25 — Mark Zuckerberg building an agent to do his job 17:23 — OutSystems' 20-year journey from visual development to agentic systems engineering 19:58 — The deterministic magic behind OutSystems Mentor 22:04 — One platform: infrastructure, integrations, UIs, agent skills, and deployment 30:19 — 40% customer service automation with AI (vs. under 10% before) 33:48 — How AI is augmenting, not replacing, engineering and product roles 39:41 — "That's 2008 and this is 2026 — you have to change" 41:27 — The wow factor vs. enterprise reality: why prototyping isn't the hard part 46:17 — Tiago's advice: identify the biggest problem, feed it to an LLM, build the solution 48:42 — "Think big, start small, scale fast" -- Key Links: OutSystems: https://www.outsystems.com/ Connect with Tiago on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tiagobazevedo/